Mark-8 Minicomputer: ACQUIRED!

If you’re a collector like me who lives on a budget, there are realities you have to accept. You’re never going to own an Apple-1, for example. There’s only about 50 of them left out there, many in museum hands. And then there’s the matter of value – being so rare, they’re worth more than houses.

One way to compensate for this reality is to recreate what you cannot buy. That was the approach I took with my TV Typewriter project. And in fact, I have an Apple I replica board on my desk, waiting to be assembled.

And that was the approach I had planned to take with Dr. Jon Titus’ 1974 Mark-8, the third microprocessor based computer (based on Intel’s 8008) ever offered to the public. The plans with PCB artwork are out there, and so are the vintage components. All it takes is the time, money and will to make one.

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No, the Mark-8 wasn’t first. That honour belonged to the French Micral. Second place belonged to the American-made SCELBI. But there is something really special about Radio Electronics’ early ventures into computing. The magazine for ‘Men With Ideas in Electronics’ pioneered things we take for granted, like video terminals and keyboards. The Mark-8 was a kind of coup de grace, at least in the months before Popular Electronics responded with the Altair.

The Mark-8 was a tough project. Apart from offering a few board sets produced by a New Jersey company called Techniques, everything else was up to the hobbyist, including finding the ICs and parts and assembly. You had to find all that, follow schematics and bridge several pieces of missing information and errors. According to Byte Collector Bryan Blackburn, Jon Titus estimated 7500 plans were sold, and only about 400 board sets. To date, only just over a dozen Mark-8s are known to exist. So you’d think the odds of an average collector happening upon some in the wild, and being able to buy them at a reasonable price would be nil, right?

But you’d be wrong:

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When I first saw that auction come up, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I don’t have any followed searches for ‘Mark-8 boards’ (why would I search for something impossible to find?). Rather my followed searches simply look for ‘boards’ listed in EBay’s Vintage Computing section. When I saw these I just about fell out of my chair. I had read, with envy, how Bryan had found his Mark-8 boards some years ago much the same way. I thought the odds of that ever happening again to be impossible. But there they were.

Anyway, I threw in a bid. The last time a Mark-8 sold, it went for over $5000USD, and that was 9 years ago. These appeared to be untouched, almost pristine condition original boards. I was sure a heavyweight collector would easily drop thousands on them. But I figured it’d be fun to pretend to own them for a while. I set my initial bid at $1000USD. And it held out the full 9 days, all the way until just the last minute, when somebody bid up to $1300. Believing these were never going to be mine anyway, as a lark I upped my bid to $1575. Then I watched the last seconds tick away, waiting for that last snipe to take ‘my’ boards from me. But it didn’t happen. The price settled at $1517. I was now a member of an extremely exclusive club: Mark-8 owner. Okay, they’re just the boards, but still. Untouched? How rare is that? I felt almost paranoid — had I been had? Just a few a years earlier someone on ebay had tried to pass off an Obtronix reproduction kit as original. Were these really good fakes that real collectors had spotted a mile away?

I did a lot of asking around, but the consensus was, they were the real deal! The original Techniques bags nailed it, along with the unique fab house markings on the PCB substrate. Wow!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present one of the few Mark-8s, in unbuilt board form, not in American hands:

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It’s so weird to hold something in your hands that ordinarily you’d only be able to see encased in a glass box at a museum. This is such an important piece of computing history and it’s a real privilege to have it, to be able to look at it any time I want!

The only negative is I now find myself squarely in the situation I would have been in had I won some original TV Typewriter boards that appeared on ebay. I am in a very unique position that no one else is presently: I can build a real Mark-8. It’ll never be ‘original vintage’ of course, but I could assemble a machine that was otherwise indistinguishable from an original – using available vintage components!

The advice I’ve gotten on the matter is all over the map. Preservationists argue the untouched boards like these are so rare they need to be kept as is for posterity. But others take a more pragmatic view: that computers were designed to do something, and that leaving the boards unbuilt robs them of the chance to do what they were designed to do.

What do you think? Nothing is going to happen any time soon — I simply don’t have the skill to build a Mark-8, yet. But comments are most welcome!

13 thoughts on “Mark-8 Minicomputer: ACQUIRED!”

  1. I love seeing NOS parts like this. It reminds me that not too long ago, all this stuff was hand drawn, hand drilled, and hand assembled. I’ve got a bead on an altair clone machine that’s lost a lot of it’s wire wrapping. No one wants it because no one wire wraps anymore.

    1. There’s definitely something special about old boards like this. I have an original DG motherboard that is also unbuilt.. really cool to look at.

  2. Build them, and don’t think about it again. As they are, they’re nothing other than something to look at. Build them, and they become something much more interactive.

    1. No — the Mark-8 and MOD-8 were two different designs by different people. The Mark-8 was designed by Jon Titus in the US, and the MOD-8 was designed by Microsystems International, which was sort of a government partnership with Northern Telecom. They were a second source producer of the 8008 and other Intel ICs, and came up with their own machine.

  3. Hi,

    My suggestion is to *NOT* build it. I will say up-front that I am a *long time* ’70s /S100 computer collector and own an unbuilt, complete Obtronix Mark-8 kit (metal cabinet, red display cover, white LEDs, and all other parts, purchased in 2001) as well as many other rare, early and historical computing items (examples: a) possibly unique surviving KIM-1 with WHITE PCB and white ceramic main processors, and b) SN# 220069 hand-wired extremely early Altair 8800 kit). The reason I want to be up-front is that I hereby offer to top any other real offer you receive for these boards. I offer to top them by at least 1.5x.

    Why? Some things really do belong in museums for the whole world to view and to learn from … forever. I will commit that to be the case here.

    Thanks for your consideration.

    Charlie

    1. Thank you! I’ve had quite a few offers. And being a Dad with a few kids you do get tempted. One guy approached me days after the auction and offered $5000. I thought that was pretty incredible until another guy offered a lot more. It’s tough. Potentially a lot of money.. but they are the crown jewels of my collection especially with the copy of the magazine and construction guide I acquired after. Nice to look at.. but can’t be a real computer without destroying their uniqueness. Very hard to decide what to do.

  4. Hi! It’s me, Bryan… of bytecollector.com. 🙂 Excellent find! Ok, I say build a replica of some sort, or even run a simulator, but don’t touch these boards! Frame them nicely and hang them on a wall. I say that because to “build” them into a vintage / modern Frankenstein Mark-8 will drastically alter the historical value, and for that matter, the real cash value too! You can make exact copies of those boards (although in modern colored boards) for just a pittance compared to the value of these… do that, and then build away! You could also sell the extra board sets on ebay. That’s my two cents. -Bryan

    1. Thanks Bryan! Yeah I don’t think there’s much likelihood I’ll build them, after long consideration and even having Jon Titus himself weigh in.

      And anyway, it turns out I don’t even have to compromise on the PCBs for a replica.. I scored a whole bunch of NOS 1973 vintage PCB stock! My replica can be vintage right down to the atomic level! 🙂

  5. I think I have found one set too. In the estate of a Silicon Valley tech entrepreneur, Chuck Colby. We sifted through hundreds of boxes, and found them. I had know idea what they were, but they looked old. I researched them, and quickly realized what I had in my hands. The ones I have are half built, and in much worse shape, with some corrosion. The person who owns them wants me to sell them for him, and I’m helping him clean them up. I’ll probably put them up on eBay in the next week or two.

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